Entropy Increase in Neutron Star Formation
by Thomas Lee Abshier, ND, and Poe Assistant
7/21/2025

Thomas: It appears that the white dwarf Fermi gas transitioned from a high-entropy state to a lower-entropy state when the Fermi gas electrons combined with protons to form fewer entities, as the electrons were now in a bound state with the proton; thus, two entities merged into a single neutron, hence a lower number of entities and lower entropy. How is entropy maintained or increased in this gravitational collapse scenario? Is it that the kinetic energy of the new neutron is higher, which satisfies the increase of entropy required by the 2nd Law? Or is it related to the entropy increase from the rebound supernova explosion because of the Fermi gas infall of electrons into the protons in their bonding to make neutrons?

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This is an insightful question! The process of gravitational collapse, such as the transition from a white dwarf to a neutron star or during a supernova, is complex and involves both entropy considerations and the interplay of energy transfer mechanisms to satisfy the laws of thermodynamics. Let’s break it down step by step:

1. The Transition: Electrons + Protons → Neutrons

a. Fewer Particles, Lower Entropy?

  • During the collapse of a white dwarf, electrons and protons combine via the reaction:

     

    e+pn+νe,e^- + p \to n + \nu_e,

    producing neutrons and emitting neutrinos. This process is known as electron capture.

  • At first glance, this reduces the number of free particles (electrons and protons merging into neutrons), which might suggest a decrease in entropy.

However, entropy is not merely about the number of particles—it’s about the total number of accessible microstates. Several factors ensure entropy is maintained or increased during this process:


2. Mechanisms That Maintain or Increase Entropy

a. Neutrino Emission

  • Neutrinos are produced in vast quantities during electron capture and escape the collapsing core. These neutrinos are extremely energetic and carry away a significant amount of entropy.
  • Even though the core itself might lose some entropy due to fewer free particles, the overall system (core + neutrinos) sees an increase in entropy. Neutrino emission is a key factor in satisfying the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

b. Kinetic Energy of Neutrons

  • The collapse increases the density of the core, compressing matter into a much smaller volume. This leads to:
    • Higher Fermi momentum of the neutrons (since neutrons now obey the Pauli exclusion principle as fermions in a degenerate state).
    • Increased kinetic energy of the neutrons.
  • The increase in kinetic energy contributes to the entropy of the neutron star, as the neutrons occupy a larger phase space in momentum.

c. Gravitational Energy and Heat

  • During the collapse, gravitational potential energy is released as the core shrinks. This energy is converted into:
    1. Internal heat: The temperature of the collapsing core rises, increasing thermal entropy.
    2. Shock waves: If the collapse halts abruptly (e.g., due to neutron degeneracy pressure), a rebound shock forms, triggering a supernova explosion (see below).
  • The heat generated by compression adds to the total entropy of the system.

3. Role of the Supernova Explosion

a. Rebound Shock and Ejected Material

  • When the core collapses and the density becomes high enough to be supported by neutron degeneracy pressure, the infall halts abruptly. This sudden stop generates a rebound shock wave that propagates outward.
  • The shock wave heats the outer layers of the star, ejecting them in a supernova explosion. The ejected material is highly energetic and turbulent, with a large number of accessible microstates, which significantly increases the total entropy of the system.

b. Neutrino Heating

  • Neutrinos emitted during the collapse also play a role in heating the outer layers of the star, contributing to the entropy of the supernova explosion.

4. Entropy Evolution in Gravitational Collapse

a. Local Entropy Decrease in the Core

  • In the collapsing core, entropy per baryon might temporarily decrease because:
    • The number of free particles decreases as electrons and protons combine into neutrons.
    • The matter becomes more ordered due to the formation of a neutron degenerate state.

b. Total Entropy Increase

  • The Second Law of Thermodynamics is satisfied because the total entropy of the system (including neutrinos, ejected material, and the environment) increases dramatically:
    • Neutrino emission accounts for a significant entropy increase.
    • The supernova explosion spreads energy and matter into a much larger volume, greatly increasing the number of accessible states.

c. Neutron Star Entropy

  • The newly formed neutron star is a degenerate system of neutrons, with entropy dominated by its thermal state and the phase space of degenerate neutrons.
  • The neutron star itself may have lower entropy per baryon compared to the progenitor white dwarf, but this is offset by the entropy carried away by neutrinos and the explosion.

5. The Role of Kinetic Energy

While the kinetic energy of neutrons increases during compression, the entropy increase is not solely due to this factor:

  • Kinetic energy contributes to the thermal entropy of the neutron star.
  • However, the largest contributions to entropy come from:
    • Neutrino production and escape.
    • The chaotic, high-energy supernova explosion.

6. Summary

The transition from a white dwarf to a neutron star involves complex processes, but the Second Law of Thermodynamics is upheld through mechanisms that increase the total entropy of the system. Specifically:

  1. Neutrino emission carries away energy and entropy.
  2. Gravitational collapse releases energy, increasing the thermal entropy of the core and ejecta.
  3. The supernova explosion spreads matter and energy into a much larger volume, significantly increasing entropy.

While the core itself may experience a temporary local decrease in entropy due to particle fusion and ordering into a degenerate state, the overall entropy of the system (core + neutrinos + ejecta) increases, satisfying the Second Law. Let me know if you’d like to explore any aspect of this further! 😊

9:27 AM 7/21/2025


Thomas: It appears that the white dwarf Fermi gas transitioned from a high-entropy state to a lower-entropy state when the Fermi gas electrons combined with protons to form fewer entities. The electrons of the Fermin gas and protons of the plasma were previously independent, and transitioned into a bound state when the two entities merged into a single neutron. This reduced number of entities is clearly a state of lower entropy. How can the second law requirement that the entropy is maintained or increased be realized in this gravitational collapse scenario? Is the creation of neutrinos (one proton and one electron going to one neutron and one neutrino) adequate to balance the entropic balance? Or does the energy supplied by the gravitational acceleration of the electrons and protons require an even greater increase in kinetic energy of the new neutrons to balance the entropy equation? Is a higher entropy required for the products (post-bonding of electron and proton) because of the high kinetic energy required to overcome the repulsive barrier to produce proton-electron binding? Did this increased kinetic energy imparted by the electron-proton collision place the neutron in a state where more energetic states were available by its thermal vibration? Was it this thermal neutron vibration produced by the kinetic energy of the electron, the energy source that produced the supernova? Or was it primarily the rebound of the neutrons after formation, hitting the incompressible neutron core that elastically rebounded and produced the supernova?

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Your reworded and expanded question wonderfully captures the complexity of gravitational collapse and its entropic consequences! Let’s carefully address the proportions of factors contributing to the entropy balance and their roles in the supernova explosion.

1. Entropy Decrease from Electron-Proton Fusion

When electrons and protons combine to form neutrons:

 

e+p+n+νe,e^- + p^+ \to n + \nu_e,

it indeed appears that the number of entities decreases, which might suggest a local decrease in entropy. However:

  • The Second Law of Thermodynamics applies to the entire system, not just the local core.
  • The entropy of the neutrinos emitted during electron capture compensates for and significantly exceeds the local entropy loss.

How Neutrinos Contribute to Entropy

  • Neutrinos are light, nearly massless particles with very high velocities and an enormous number of accessible quantum states.
  • Each neutrino carries away significant entropy because of its high energy and freedom to escape into a vastly larger volume of space.
  • Studies show that 99% of the gravitational binding energy released during collapse is radiated away in neutrinos, with a significant fraction contributing to the system’s entropy balance.

Thus, the neutrino emission alone is sufficient to satisfy the Second Law of Thermodynamics, but other factors also contribute.


2. Gravitational Energy and Kinetic Energy of Neutrons

a. Gravitational Potential Energy

As the white dwarf core collapses under gravity:

  • The gravitational potential energy released during compression is converted into:
    1. Kinetic energy of the newly formed neutrons.
    2. Thermal energy, which contributes to entropy.

The collapse dramatically increases density, which increases the Fermi momentum of the neutrons:

 

pFρ1/3.p_F \propto \rho^{1/3}.

This means the neutrons occupy a much larger volume in momentum space, producing more accessible microstates and increasing entropy.

b. Energy Source for the Supernova

  • The kinetic energy of neutrons and thermal energy are significant contributors to the energy budget of the supernova.
  • The highly energetic neutrons vibrate thermally in the dense core, heating the surrounding material and driving the explosion.

Key Point: The increased kinetic energy of neutrons following electron-proton fusion ensures that entropy increases, as the neutrons occupy higher-energy states.


3. Overcoming the Repulsive Barrier

Protons and electrons must overcome a Coulomb barrier to combine into neutrons:

  • The gravitational collapse accelerates the electrons and protons to extremely high velocities (due to the release of gravitational energy), giving them the energy required to overcome this barrier.
  • This kinetic energy is transferred to the neutron after fusion, increasing its thermal energy and vibrational modes.

Consequences

  • The newly formed neutrons, now in a dense degenerate Fermi gas, occupy high-energy quantum states.
  • The increase in thermal vibration modes adds to the entropy of the core and plays a role in powering the rebound shock.

4. The Supernova Explosion

The supernova explosion arises from a combination of effects, each contributing to energy and entropy release:

a. Rebound of the Core

  • The collapsing core reaches densities so high that neutron degeneracy pressure halts further compression.
  • The inner core rebounds elastically, driving a shock wave outward. This rebound transfers enormous amounts of energy to the outer layers.

b. Neutrino Heating

  • Neutrinos emitted during electron capture escape the core, but a fraction of them interact with the infalling material in the outer layers.
  • These interactions heat the material, providing the energy needed to power the explosion.

c. Ejected Material

  • The shock wave and neutrino heating eject the outer layers of the star into space.
  • This ejected material is highly turbulent, spread over a vast volume, and has an enormous number of accessible microstates, contributing significantly to the total entropy increase.

5. Entropy Balance: Proportions of Contributions

To understand how the Second Law is upheld in this scenario, we can look at the contributions to the entropy budget:

a. Local Core (Neutron Formation)

  • Locally, the core experiences:
    1. Entropy loss: Fewer particles (electrons and protons combine into neutrons).
    2. Entropy gain: Neutrons occupy higher-energy states as a degenerate Fermi gas, and their thermal vibrations add entropy.
    3. Entropy gain: Heat generated by gravitational compression.

b. Neutrino Emission

  • Neutrinos carry away the vast majority of the energy (
    99%\sim 99\%
     

    ) and entropy from the collapsing core.

  • The number of neutrinos and their high energy significantly increase the entropy of the universe.

c. Supernova Shock and Ejected Material

  • The rebound shock and neutrino heating eject the outer layers, spreading energy and matter over a much larger volume.
  • This turbulent, high-energy ejected material contributes to the final entropy increase.

In summary:

  • Neutrino emission dominates the entropy budget.
  • Thermal energy of neutrons and the supernova explosion also contribute significantly.

6. Conclusion

To directly answer your questions:

  1. Is neutrino creation adequate to balance the entropic balance?
    • Yes, neutrino creation and emission are the largest contributors to entropy increase in the system.
  2. Does gravitational energy add kinetic energy to the neutrons?
    • Yes, gravitational energy is converted into neutron kinetic energy, which increases entropy by populating higher-energy quantum states.
  3. Is the energy from electron-proton collisions responsible for neutron thermal vibrations?
    • Partially. The energy from electron-proton fusion contributes to the kinetic energy of the neutrons, but the primary driver of thermal vibrations is the energy released during gravitational collapse.
  4. What produces the supernova: rebound or thermal energy?
    • The rebound of the core launches the initial shock wave, but neutrino heating plays a critical role in sustaining and driving the explosion to successfully eject the outer layers of the star.

Entropy and Energy Summary

  • Entropy is maintained or increased by:
    1. Neutrino emission (largest contributor).
    2. Kinetic and thermal energy of neutrons.
    3. The rebound shock and ejected material.
  • The supernova explosion is powered by:
    1. Core rebound (initial energy source).
    2. Neutrino heating (sustains and amplifies the explosion).

Let me know if you’d like to dive deeper into any specific part of this fascinating process! 😊

10:19 AM 7/21/2025